Animal Matters

SAFE’s weekly podcast

Animal Matters is SAFE’s weekly podcast about all things animal rights and the issues impacting animals in Aotearoa. Will Appelbe discusses the latest current affairs impacting animals, the decisions of policymakers and government, and the complexities that surround the exploitation of animals.

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Gareth Hughes

Member of Parliament for the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand.
“When you see international animal welfare reports which rank us [New Zealand] way down the list, it shows that we have a lot of ground to make up.”

Dr. Mike Joy

Freshwater ecologist, Victoria University of Wellington.
"I think as a country we need to have a grown up conversation about intensive farming. There's just a raft of disasters awaiting us or we're in the process of having because of it."

Jake Conroy

Animal rights activist, previously with Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty USA (SHAC USA).
"There are some absolutely incredible stories in the animal rights movement. You know, I talk to my friends in other movements and they're like 'Ya'll did what?! That's crazy!'"

Camille Labchuk

Executive Director, Animal Justice.
"One of my favourite quotes is 'First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, and then you win'. And they're fighting us because they know we're getting close to that winning stage where there's going to be a critical mass of the population that says 'This is just not acceptable. It's just not ok that we don't have laws regulating farming, and animals are kept in windowless warehouses behind closed doors without any public oversight.'"

Dr. Melanie Joy

Psychologist, author, Founding President at Beyond Carnism.
"We tend to assume that only vegans and vegetarians follow a belief system when it comes to eating animals. But the only reason people learn to eat pigs but not dogs, for example, is because they do follow a belief system when it comes to eating animals."

Dr. Michael Greger

Physician, author, founder of
“Just as eliminating the exotic wild animal trade and live animal markets might go a long way towards preventing the next coronavirus pandemic, reforming the way we raise domestic animals for food may help forestall the next killer flu.”

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